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Serimos Haeraven
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Posted - 2013.12.19 16:42:00 -
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Recently I've been seeing a few topics pop up on this forum that are rather... subjective. They attempt to measure the skill of dropship pilots by casting votes as to who is the "best" dropship pilot in Dust, however, it's in actuality no where near that easy to make the case that one veteran pilot has more skill than another.
Every pilot will attest to this fact: We have our "on" days, and our "off" days. There are moments (that i have witnessed and done) where pilots can go 36/0, even 45/0 given the right situation and being in the right place at the right time. And then there are matches that the same pilots can go 2/1 or even 0/1 because of heavy AV and railgun snipers.
Now, they also try to make it more "Reasonable" by saying that if you have 1v1 a certain pilot and won, that instantly makes you better than the other pilot, and again, that simply is not true, because the very next match, the other pilot just might win. I have had friendly DS rivalries that have shifted back and forth between me winning and losing, because we are so evenly matched & skilled, and this is frankly true for all veteran, complex-module DS pilots. You can't simply point to one and say their the best because they have won one fight, or even 10, because most pilots here have been in hundreds of conflicts alone.
So, to be frankly honest and blunt here, once you get to the skill level pilots like Eternal, Judge, Nguruthos IX, Sir Snugglz, Skihids, and many more veteran pilots have, there really isn't a "best". Everyone once they have reached the top can all perform at a pretty useful level, believe me I have flown with pretty much every person I listed here (except for Judge which is weird, because i never see him on when i am). And every single time, every dropship pilot usually gets the same amount of KDR (around 10/0 or 12/2, etc) at the end. And now that dogfighting is pretty much null since 1.7, lets face it, there really isn't one best dropship pilot. Judge has a ton of votes because he has the ability to upload nice videos on youtube and also had a spotlight about him, but in all honesty, veteran dropship pilots are pretty much all on the same page.
So, are we clear now? If so, quit trying to act like you can vote on which pilot has the most "skill". |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:51:00 -
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Saxbrin Shain wrote:I'm really confused by this sentiment that the measure of a Dropship Pilot's worth is their KDR GÇö not their ability to Pilot a Dropship. A good Pilot can sit near the bottom of the leader board and still turn the tide of battle by ferrying infantry around the battlefield GÇö not a single kill is necessary.
Edit: Unless I'm confused and it's only a comparison of Assault Dropship Pilots. That would make sense, but it doesn't seem to be specified.
I never said a pilots skill is worth their KDR, but KDR is a great indication in how a dropship pilot manages to survive against AV, and other forces, so basically, if they are doing their passive duty and just suppresing without killing, having 0 deaths should show that they are a good pilot. Believe me, I know that more relies on pilots than their KDR, I was here when all there was were Eryx's and the gallente version of logistics, and i still flew those all of the time even though i literally got no points for doing so. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.19 17:54:00 -
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8213 wrote:Clearly you've never met T8r Raid.
Obviously there's a problem if we've never met him in all of our time as veteran dropship pilots. Although he may be good, i sure as hell have never seen or heard of him and I've been in all the pilot channels you can think of, and have also flown with countless amounts of really good veteran pilots, but I can't seem to recall him being there ever. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.19 19:05:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Serimos vs. Snugglz vs. Judge vs. gbghg vs. NG vs. Card vs. taxirides vs. Numnutz
Let's make this happen
Lmfao that would be one sight to see. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.19 23:58:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:that's what I thought about tanks. surely it gets to a point where it's down to who has the best tank and who has their reppers on.
I know there's a bit more to it but I agree with what you're saying about DS pilots too.
Most of them just fly up into the air to avoid swarms etc then come back down, some can do that for the entire match
and not a single DS, does that make them good? not really.
Which again is my point, there are so many unrecorded tactics pilots have to take that would make them pretty "good" in anyone's book, but these are never recorded like things such as KDR are, so you pretty much have to team up with pilots and witness them flying to get a grip on how good they are. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.20 00:17:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:Always loved having you in our PC matches, Serimos.
Dude I've been looking for people from Top Men for a while but i can't find them because they kicked DSREP a long time ago for inactivity, and so I'm completely isolated from that whole alliance now. However the alliance as a whole doesn't seem active at all either which is pretty ironic. How is Seven holding up? |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.24 16:17:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:For me, the measure of a good dropship pilot is how much you squad mates will trust you in getting them from point A to point B in one piece. Or getting what needs to be done, done. If I ask Judge to clear out a roof top, he'll do it. If i need Evo to pick us up in a hot zone, he'll do it. Foxbat can trusted to absolutely destroy infantry.
I 'm proud of the trust I've earned, and i'm not good at all yet at assault flying. I like the fact that if my squad finds themselves in a empty match they won't hesitate to leap into my ship because i won't let them down. Carrying 6 proto suits in pc match full burners on, when crashing might cost you the match, that's trust. I'm one of the only pilots my CEO will fly with all proto'd out.
Its all about dependability.
Yeah i agree 100% on the fact that it's really about how much you benefit your whole team in-game through pinning enemies down, restricting enemy tank access to objectives, taking out spawn uplinks and ammo hives, and many more tasks that often pop up in battle. Basically, if you feel like there's not a whole lot to do when you're flying in a game, you're not doing it right :P |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:02:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:8213 wrote:Clearly you've never met T8r Raid. So from past postings you BBW (lol) have the best Logi, tanker, AV guy and now the best DS pilot in the game? Stand back guy's these wolves are full of puff, the question remains will they blow the house down? t8r is good. He will fly into hell to pick us up and take us to the next point. He is one of the only pilots I've seen that fit no guns are in order to do his job. black hole nova is good he can slaughter all match long. He kills me when he sees me and I him. We been buddies since chrome. ngrunthos is good I have purchased his services and the money was not wasted. He often makes the mistake of killing me. Then he must die in a fire. Herrick arcos was honestly the best pilot I have seen. He is a tanker now but that's how I met him he had drop points and gunnery commands down. As he was positioning the ship you were getting orders to which turret to use. the rest are fodder. Never took down names as they were just falling stars.
See, I don't understand why you'd say that last sentence there, "the rest are fodder", yet, there are at least 10+ other veteran proto pilots that I have flown with who do a literally un-remarkable job at flying and yet they go un-listed here. And again, this is why I posted the OP, just because you can think of a few pilots doesn't mean that that's nearly all of them, just the ones you have seen/experienced a few games with. Darken, i suggest you join up in 1st Airborne or Condor Squad and then sq up with some of the pilots there, you may be surprised at the level of skill many of them show. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:13:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:8213 wrote:Clearly you've never met T8r Raid. So from past postings you BBW (lol) have the best Logi, tanker, AV guy and now the best DS pilot in the game? Stand back guy's these wolves are full of puff, the question remains will they blow the house down? t8r is good. He will fly into hell to pick us up and take us to the next point. He is one of the only pilots I've seen that fit no guns are in order to do his job. black hole nova is good he can slaughter all match long. He kills me when he sees me and I him. We been buddies since chrome. ngrunthos is good I have purchased his services and the money was not wasted. He often makes the mistake of killing me. Then he must die in a fire. Herrick arcos was honestly the best pilot I have seen. He is a tanker now but that's how I met him he had drop points and gunnery commands down. As he was positioning the ship you were getting orders to which turret to use. the rest are fodder. Never took down names as they were just falling stars. See, I don't understand why you'd say that last sentence there, "the rest are fodder", yet, there are at least 10+ other veteran proto pilots that I have flown with who do a literally un-remarkable job at flying and yet they go un-listed here. And again, this is why I posted the OP, just because you can think of a few pilots doesn't mean that that's nearly all of them, just the ones you have seen/experienced a few games with. Darken, i suggest you join up in 1st Airborne or Condor Squad and then sq up with some of the pilots there, you may be surprised at the level of skill many of them show. with no clear way to judge who is the best or what the best means all we have is opinion. I have been heavy AV since chrome. Dropships are fodder. The few pilots I have interacted have outperformed their crappy equipment. The dudes I listed are my personal favorites and have time and time again proved their piloting skills. Nobody else has been noteworthy. Just like tankers, AV guys keep a list. Sadly my tanker list is useless now because tanking is a joke
Well then, all i have to say is be ready when you see a proto-ADS squad being run by 1st Airborne or Condor Squad, because when there are 4-5 pro ADS pilots all in sync communicating with each other, AV isn't even a problem. (Unless it's a proto rail gun) |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:27:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Dual hardeners. FG can barely scratch a drop ship now. Good "pilots" are a dime a dozen. You got the same complex the tankers got. When CCP unties AVs hands we will see who's good. Until then I will endure everyone's bragging and hiding behind mommas skirt.
...I wouldn't be trying to say that I'm just talking out of my ass when I say that around 50% of the pilots in Condor Squad and 1st are amazing, because they are. Before this update even came out I was killing forge gunners who thought they could 1 shot me, but were proven wrong with my fitting. I'm not trying to change the tone here, but when you say that we're just "bragging" and aren't really that good, you're extremely mistaken. Have you even seen me, judge, or the other pilots I listed in the OP fly? |
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Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.24 19:52:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Dual hardeners. FG can barely scratch a drop ship now. Good "pilots" are a dime a dozen. You got the same complex the tankers got. When CCP unties AVs hands we will see who's good. Until then I will endure everyone's bragging and hiding behind mommas skirt. ...I wouldn't be trying to say that I'm just talking out of my ass when I say that around 50% of the pilots in Condor Squad and 1st are amazing, because they are. Before this update even came out I was killing forge gunners who thought they could 1 shot me, but were proven wrong with my fitting. I'm not trying to change the tone here, but when you say that we're just "bragging" and aren't really that good, you're extremely mistaken. Have you even seen me, judge, or the other pilots I listed in the OP fly? And i don't even fit hardeners! And neither do most of the other pro pilots I fly with, I can take shots and recover from them by using speed and maneuverability to get myself out of sticky situations, not a hardener. 2 Complex Shield Extenders sure, but no active modules of any kind except for my complex afterburner in my speedy and transport fit, and my hard hitter fit which has a complex missile dmg amplifier. thing is the pilots I mentioned have always been bad ass. I never noticed the rest of you. I am nerfed you are buffed. Now you pick a fight.
I've been around since Chromosome, and if I had run into you in a match, you would have known it, but I can't say that I recall ever seeing you in a match either. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.25 01:15:00 -
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Nyusto Clegli wrote:Midas Fool wrote:I like dropships. But only if they're blue. My dropship is white...How do I get a blue one?!?! 
My friend saw a red and black one earlier, was one of those you earn in special events i think... it was pretty indeed, although not that tough. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.25 01:16:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Dual hardeners. FG can barely scratch a drop ship now. Good "pilots" are a dime a dozen. You got the same complex the tankers got. When CCP unties AVs hands we will see who's good. Until then I will endure everyone's bragging and hiding behind mommas skirt. ...I wouldn't be trying to say that I'm just talking out of my ass when I say that around 50% of the pilots in Condor Squad and 1st are amazing, because they are. Before this update even came out I was killing forge gunners who thought they could 1 shot me, but were proven wrong with my fitting. I'm not trying to change the tone here, but when you say that we're just "bragging" and aren't really that good, you're extremely mistaken. Have you even seen me, judge, or the other pilots I listed in the OP fly? And i don't even fit hardeners! And neither do most of the other pro pilots I fly with, I can take shots and recover from them by using speed and maneuverability to get myself out of sticky situations, not a hardener. 2 Complex Shield Extenders sure, but no active modules of any kind except for my complex afterburner in my speedy and transport fit, and my hard hitter fit which has a complex missile dmg amplifier. thing is the pilots I mentioned have always been bad ass. I never noticed the rest of you. I am nerfed you are buffed. Now you pick a fight. I've never heard of the pilots you mentioned. Difference between you and the pilots in here is that just because we never heard of them we don't assume they are 'fodder'. In the 1st Airborne, we treat all pilots with respect regardless of skill level or notoriety. The thing you need to get into your av head is, nobody ever cared about individual forge gunners. No pilot i know of a has said pre 1.7' 'wow, that guy firing 2.5 k worth of damage at my 3k hp 1.5 million isk dropship from 400 meters must be really skilled at standing on buildings.' You're just not that special. The pilots you list however, i look forward to meeting in chat or in battle. Hopefully they're not at all like you.
Thank you Tesfa for replying with what i wanted to say, but couldn't because I had to split to work. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.25 01:27:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:The dropship role is like the Logi role but with fewer opportunities for war points.
We can be slayers, sure, everyone likes that. We are transporters, obviously, though we're rarely used for that, surprisingly. But we also have a lot of odd jobs that go unnoticed and unrewarded, but are tremendous game changers. ADSs are the best link cleaners and placers in the game. In a tank squad, spotting tanks and early warnings can benefit your tankers beyond measure, and in close tank fights your added firepower can sweep fleeing tanks easily. And many more.
Dropships are, in my mind, the most versatile and useful, though tragically underused, vehicle in the game.
Well said. And hey, we have the same amount of likes! :D |
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